Fitting at TPI on 5/10

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By Listentomewine - CJ Andrews

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  1. Hi Everyone, So I have a full bag fitting coming up at TPI on 5/10. My wife and I are going down on the 9th and staying at the Park Hyatt Aviara for the weekend and making sure I get a full nights sleep! I am looking for any advice in advance of my appointment as to what to expect and what to prepare for. I have already mapped out my home course as to what clubs I hit off the tee and into greens to help me focus. I also have my lofts and realistic distances mapped for my existing clubs. I already play a TSR3 10 degree driver, 16.5 degree fairway and a 21 degree fairway dialed down to 19.25. It's taken me a year now to dial in the shaft to a 3 year old Accra I had in a previous TSI2 head, so I want to focus time on driver head and shaft to see what I can pick up at a proper fitting rather than piecing things together myself. I also want to replace my well worn PXG wedges. I am pretty good from 120 and in currently and need to keep that mojo going. I currently play PXG Gen 5 T irons so the lofts are almost identical to the T100's. I could use a lot of help in the traditional 3 wood - 5 iron spot, so I will keep an open mind as to whether I get a mixed set or throw in a hybrid or two. My big miss is a left hook or a pull hook when I get quick and feel offset contributes to that miss, so hybrids have always been a concern and a challenge to hit. Anyway, looking forward to what else I can prep for in advance. I will provide feedback as to my experience. Would love some additional feedback on the Phantom X's, while not something I am looking at now, they look intriguing. I play an Edel blade, face balanced and love it. Thanks in advance! CJA

  2. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    This will all be good information to share with your fitter. That person takes all that in. You are bringing your whole bag, right? The focus will be on getting the correct distance gaps with enough descent angle to hold greens. Your current bag is (just) a starting point.

    A whole bag is a lot of swings. Be sure to work out as much as you can prior to going there. These are the team of fitters that fit Jordan, JT, and Horshel. Can’t stress enough how important it is to listen to them and their advice. Note they have rack upon rack of shafts as options. Let them select and have them explain their choices. A driver fitting alone is not a 15 minute decision.

    For that matter, getting through woods, irons, and wedges will take about all your time. There are putter fitters that utilize electronic systems like SAM that can tell you if the Edel works for you or if a SC fitted to your swing will improve your putting. Like any other club, it should be fit to you and not require you to adjust to the club. I’ve trialed an Evenroll and there is only so much a bow can do with archer technique. Working with 13 other clubs will keep you busy well into summer.
  3. I just got back from a trip with my wife where I also did a TPI Fitting.

    What to expect:

    Not sure where you're from or how far you'll be from TPI, but give yourself plenty of time to get there because traffic can be a bit unpredictable.

    You will turn in and check-in at the gate... there is some construction going on but you'll give them your name and then pull straight ahead to park.

    Daniel/Steve/the team will greet you before you reach the door, take your bag, throw a cool bag tag on it, and ask if you need to use the locker room.

    Then you'll meet your fitter and walk out to the range... they'll ask about your game, what you hope to get out of the fitting, questions about your current set, etc.

    For me, I warmed up all the way to driver as requested... then we worked on irons... next the driver... then filled in the top of the bag... we last went to the short game area tested all the different wedge grinds.

    At the end, you will go with your fitter to a conference room back in the facility to go over your exact specs, choose grips, wedge color, etc. and then get sent a link you can use to order any/all of the clubs.

    My advice:

    I can only speak for myself, but I was pretty nervous! I did a bunch of work on my swing over the winter and wanted to perform well... and to be honest... I hit the ball pretty poorly by my standards!

    BUT - my fitter reassured me... the WORST thing I could do is sit there and stripe shot after shot... the benefit of a proper fitting isn't to make your best shots marginally better... it's to dramatically improve the poor shots which absolutely was accomplished.

    Also, don't go in with preconceived notions... I would have never picked the T100... but, for reasons I won't get in to, it was actually the most "forgiving" iron for me... crazy!

    Also, you might find yourself getting lost in the moment hitting shots (good thing), but take a few pictures and ask for the fitters reasoning on why this shaft, or that head, or this lie, etc... (if you're a bit of a gear nerd like myself.)

    Anyways... it sounds cliche, but just show up, swing your swing... and let the fitter do their thing!
  4. Michael S

    Michael S
    Apple Valley, Ca.

    You will love it they treat you so good now I just did a driver fitting and received my driver in less than a week.
    I am 67 and just the driver fitting did wear me out let me know I have to do one club at a time fitting. Good luck with your fitting I know you will love it let us know how it went for you.
  5. Thanks for the replies. I know this will be a lot of swings. I have done three other fittings, one full bag, and two others to focus on driver and irons. Hence how I ended up with the PXG’s. I have also done the Titleist ball fitting at my club and play the ProV1x exclusively, based on that experience and results. The whole bag will go down, I know how important the baseline is to the fitting. I realize the swing will be what it is that day, but feel I play enough Team Play and Tournament rounds, that I should be able to control the stress of hitting off perfectly manicured Titleist grass and make enough swings that will be representative of a normal day. In regards to a putter fitting, I am always a fan of getting to roll balls on greens representative of what I play. I had that with the my Edel experience and feel I will need to wait until we get a Titleist fitting at our club to really get a chance to roll putts, use my mirror and compare to my gamer with a putter in hand. I am looking forward to next Friday, thanks for the feedback and advice so far!
    CJA
  6. Sean M

    Sean M
    Liberty, MO

    Military
    I did a full bag fitting in March 2023…next time I’m ready to upgrade I’ll head back to TPI for another fitting. Great experience.

    Below is a link I posted on the Travel board about my fitting/the SC Gallery/tour of the plan in Carlsbad and DaleV’s event

    www.titleist.com/.../tpi-sc-gallery-tt-event

  7. James Young

    James Young
    Costa Mesa, CA

    Sounds like you've got the right mindset going in... specific areas of focus, reasonable expectations and prepared for a lot of swings (full bag). As you probably remember from prior fittings, the physical part of a fitting can be tough but also the mental part - thinking and communicating different feels.

    With new driver/fairways coming this fall (you said you just want to try different shafts), I'd save most swings for irons and wedges. #1 - since it sounds like you really want to replace irons, and #2 - TPI is the absolute best place for wedges - especially with the new layout/improvements. While we could do driver and iron fittings in most locations, I wouldn't want to go anywhere else for a wedge fitting. You'll have lots of opportunities for different types of shots with different lofts and grinds - so leave yourself a lot of mental space here.

    Have fun and soak it all in, Titleist has made TPI a special place. Enjoy the journey!
  8. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    Now it is 5/10. Very few give feedback after announcing an upcoming fitting. Would/could be fun feedback.
  9. Robby P

    Robby P
    Murrells Inlet, SC

    Seeing as we are past your scheduled date, I would love to hear how it went.......
  10. Hi Everyone,

    Sorry for the delay in my post-fitting followup, I needed to spend the rest of the weekend with my wife at the Park Hyatt Aviara and then got caught up in the office after being out the end of last week.

    I can't possibly say enough good things about the facility, the people and the experience. Upon arrival you are greeted by your player host, for me that was Andy Dobson. He made sure I had a place to park and carried my bag into the facility for me. Once you check in and sign their waiver, you can hit the locker room to change your shoes and get ready for the next three hours. Of course Titleist made you feel special by having your name on one of the lockers.

    After changing my shoes and heading back to the front desk area I was met by my fitter, Chris Baingo. I will call this part of the overall experience random luck, as Chris and I had no idea in advance of all the people we knew in common and how many of my current club mates he has fit over the past years. Chris grew up in the area where I live and worked at Valencia Country Club, the sister club to my current, The Oaks Club at Valencia (formerly TPC Valencia). Having grown up locally, he of course had played and practiced at The Oaks and knew the layout very well. I look at this as an advantage because he knows our course can have super tight lies and very firm and fast greens from May to October. He was a gentleman the whole time and super patient.

    Once we got out into the fitting area, he began by asking me to tell him about my clubs, what I like about them, what I don't like and what I would like to see from the fitting. I currently hit a TSR3 10 degree and 16.5 and a TSR2 21 degree. In terms of the drivers and fairways, he advised me that I should not look for anything new today, as the new models will be coming out later this year. He dropped June for the month we should see their Tour Players with the new goods and August for when we mortals might be able to begin purchasing. He said we would take a look at my current setup and be sure things look good and maybe tweak a setting but to save the coin for later in the year when the new clubs come to market.

    The first half of the fitting focused on my 7 iron and getting into the correct model, using primarily ball speed, apex and landing angle as the main focus of the decision. Luckily my ball speed was all in a tight range of around 120mph, but he didn't like my apex or the descent angle. I normally hit a low ball, and with my current PXG Gen5 T's I hit it higher than my previous 718 AP2's, that was one of the primary reasons I switched over a few years ago. We tried the T100 head in a similar shaft as to what I play and they felt and looked great. The issue after about 5-6 shots was when I missed we had some drastic drops in ball speed and apex. My miss will usually be a thin strike, so we moved into the T150. That was magical, I went right back to consistent ball speed, picking up a few MPH and got up to a consistent 80ft apex all while picking up a couple yards of carry. We dialed that in with the AMT Red S300 shaft and both agreed we liked the improvements.

    The next goal was the 5 iron, trying to maintain the apex we achieved with the 7 iron, since we want to be able to hold those hard fast greens in the summer. We started that in the T150, AMT Red S300 and one degree weak, which was the prior loft on my PXG 5 iron. We immediately ruled that out and went back to the the standard loft, but the ball speed and apex were not on target, so he moved me into the T200. Again after a few swings, we consistently had my apex matching the 7 iron's and my ball speed consistently within a +/- 1 MPH range on average. I don't remember the number but it was where he was expecting it to be with a 175-180 yard carry. 5 iron solved.

    We then worked backwards to see if I had room for a 4 iron between the 5 iron and 21 degree 7 wood. We looked at driver and my 16.5 degree 4 wood and they were in line with expectations. The one tweak being I had better numbers on the 4 wood with a 65 gram Tensei blue than the 75 gram that was my gamer. That's an easy tweak for a few extra yards of carry and apex. As Chris expected my 195-200 carry on my current 21 degree 7 wood was more than likely good enough and I probably wouldn't need a 4 iron or hybrid at this point. That may change with a new driver and fairway fitting, but that's a problem for later. He also liked the height I was getting out of it, again 80 feet on average. The cool thing about him knowing my course was he asked me where I would hit that 4 iron. Given my preparation for this fitting, I already knew the answer and it's maybe a tee shot and potentially 2 approach shots if I hit lousy tee shots and again, maybe to chase up a fairway when I am laying up on 3 of the 4 par 5's we have. All that can be accomplished with the 7 wood or 5 iron so we agreed I would likely benefit more from carrying the wedge and gap wedge in the T150 model at 44 and 48 degrees instead of the 4 iron I would rarely need. Which would set me up to bag a 52, 56 and 60 degree wedge. Where currently I play a 50, 54 and 58.

    Onto the most eye opening part of the day, for me, which was the wedge fitting. I briefly mentioned how awesome the facility is and part of that reason is being able to hit off the same type of fairways and green surrounds I play to test out wedges. They have three greens, each with a bunker and the surrounding area of each is planted to a different type of grass. I believe he said they were, TifTuf Bermuda, Bermuda and Rye. The greens themselves were all bent grass. I was super happy to hear that as well. Given he knew my course was Bermuda, we headed directly there and proceeded with the wedge fitting. Chris explained the difference in the bounces, the grinds and told quite a few Bob Vokey stories, the most interesting being how Bob claims that "you don't choose the wedge, the wedge chooses you". With that in mind, Chris held the 5 different 60 degree wedges in his hand, shafts pointing at me and said "pick one, don't look at the bottom and don't show me what it is". So I chose one and he then had me set up and hit shots as I normally would to one or two flags on the green that were maybe 10-20 yards away with that wedge. We would then rate how I did with that wedge and what we liked and what we didn't. We then repeated the process with the remaining four wedges. It was pretty cool to feel how the grind made each wedge work differently for how I chose to get the ball to the different flags. We repeated that process for the remaining 56 and 52 degree wedge, but it didn't seem to be as dramatic as the 60 degree once I got used to the process. At the end of the day, I ended up with a 60.08M, a 56.10S and a 52.12F. I went with the nickel finish and we increased the shaft weight to the AMT Black S300's, since I have always played a slightly heavier shaft in my wedges.

    We also hit some balls out of the bunker with the wedges that chose me. We had a little time left so I even got a little drill from him to work on bunker shots, especially those long ones that we all love. He had me use the 52 degree for that drill, something I didnt think I would be able to pull off, but after a few practice swings and attempts I was as comfortable with it out of the trap as I would be the 60 degree on a shorter shot.

    Overall it was a great day, great session and I am definitely headed back in August to see Chris once fittings become available for the soon to be released drivers and fairways. I also learned that I am still a ProV1x player given my launch angle and ball flight. That was the ball I currently play and the only ball we used during the entire fitting process. Of course if you don't know what you should be playing the fitter has the ProV1, the x, the left dash and AVX for you to try during the fitting. I ended up ordering the clubs with Chris in our debrief and I look forward to them arriving soon. I have now become addicted to hitting the refresh button on the "track order" page.

    Sorry for the long post, I hope someone finds it valuable or at least a fun read. If you have any questions, please ask away, I am happy to give my open honest feedback. I do think the time I spent analyzing my game and what I was looking for in this fitting helped me get over the "no 4 iron or hybrid" moment given I knew how often I use that club in a round.

    Cheers,

    CJA
  11. James Young

    James Young
    Costa Mesa, CA

    Thanks for the great recap! Glad the experience met your expectations and now you're ready for summer golf.

    Enjoy!
  12. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    No apology needed. Clearly a presentation of how to decide on the tools that work for you. Not just distance, how they look in the bag, or what you’ve played in the past. Your prior irons were ok, just short of optimal. Certainly there are other irons in the player’s category that will be longer, but will they hold a green as well? Thanks for the feedback.

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